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Thursday, October 30, 2008

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anhua -

Hello
I have a voucher ,that I urgently need to get rid of ,since it expires towards end of next
month(May 07) .If anyone is flying to china soon ,it would be great if you could use this voucher
for your ticket purchase before end of next month.
In return ,I offer to give you a substantial reduction in the voucher price... Please note the
voucher can only be redeemed against actual ticket price and not against taxes. But it can be
claimed against multiple tickets.So ideally if 2 persons are flying to beijing ,they can make
fully use of this voucher.

If anyone interested ,please email at anhonik@freenet.de



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Wednesday, October 29, 2008

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Hi everyone,

I've just arrived in Dalian 1 week ago, just like to know whether anyone is living in Dalian at
the moment; who'd like to hang out for soccer / basketball / table tennis...etc

Anyone know some nice pubs and cafes in this area?



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Hello...

I will be arriving in Dalian next week for a four month stay (initially). Are you going to be
studying? If so, where?

Also, I'm down to get together for some sports. Soccer is great. Also, martial arts - Muay Thai,
Sanda (San Shou), or boxing. Let me know.

Lastly, make sure you check out www.dalianxpat.com . That's a good place to connect with people
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Tuesday, October 28, 2008

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london82 -

Hello,

I am a studying in the very North East of China and I am interested in going to North Korea from
Dandong.

I have seen several posts on other websites of people saying it's possible to go from Dandong for
only 2000RMB, however, it seems this is all hear say as no one mentions with who or how to arrange
it and it has been suggested it may only be available to Chinese at this price.

I really don't want to go via Beijing as I am so far away. Price is very important as the prices I
am seeing at the moment in the range of 2000US Dollars are not a viable option for me. I know this
is all controlled by the North Korean Government and the price is the price but I was wondering if
anyone knows more about this 2000RMB option?!?! Or where I can find more information without going
all the way to Dandong.

Any help would be gratefully received. Any information on trips there from other cities in the
North East of China would also be appreciated.



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pandaxiongmao -

North Korea tours are normally priced in Euros, so I am guessing you might be American (since you
quoted a price in US dollars). In that case, you have no choice. You'll have to go with Koryo
Tours and pay the large amount. Then you can stay for 4 days tops during one of their special
tours for Americans.

If you are a different nationality, you could go to North Korea for a longer period. But I think
you would still need to go to Beijing to get the visa from the North Korean embassy. Even then,
probably much easier to do a tour to save yourself a lot of documentation trouble with the visa.

There are westerners in certain pro-North Korea groups that get invited to North Korea, but
assuming you are American or from a country that freely gives info to the US government, it
wouldn't be a good idea. You'll get put on a list, and you will probably get extra security checks
down the road. By going on a tour, you won't be associated with those groups.










london82 -

Hi pandaxiongmao,

Thanks alot for the reply. I'm actually english but I think your comments are still correct and we
wouldn't be seen favourably. Don't know why I quoted it in dollars.

This trip is looking completely out of bounds for me unfortunately. 太贵了

Thanks for the help anyways










xuechengfeng -

You can go through Hunchun, just swim across the river, it's really not too bad. Also, very cheap.










london82 -

Hello,

I didn't get a huge amount of response from this so not sure if many people are interested but I
found an agent in Dandong that does North Korean trips from Dandong, alot cheaper than the Western
companies. The telephone number is 04152145255 and there is a guy called Brooklyn in the office
that speaks English. The trip I got is 4 days and depending how many people join the group, it is
definately well under 5000rmb. Oh and they also take Americans over the Mass Games period.

Hope this helps someone.

Thanks for your idea xuechengfeng, was looking very attractive for a short period of time.










Pravit -

!.
!!.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Went to Dandong last summer and became a member of the
"been-to-North-Korea-but-only-because-I-swam-across-the-river" club, but I'd jump at the chance to
see more of North Korea, than, you know, the other side of the river at Hushan Great Wall. Koryo
tours is doing US citizen tours Aug17-20 for Mass Games. But there's no way I'm paying 1590 Euros
and flying on Air Koryo to boot. However, 5000 RMB and a romantic train ride across the
Sino-Korean friendship bridge sounds more like my kind of thing.

More information, please! Are you going with this organization? If so, please tell us how it went!










Pravit -

Found the website for the company London82 mentioned earlier(googled the phone number):
http://www.dd-guide.com/lsdw/zhongql/01.htm

This site looks promising, but I don't know if they will take Americans over the Arirang
period(emailed them and will call later today).
http://www.ddtmt.com/tmtline/detail.php?id=6










london82 -

It looks like you speak Chinese which helps alot in finding these companies however the prices
mentioned in Chinese are actually for Chinese people so I'm not sure where you're from but you do
need to call them for the 'Westerners' information. I am intending on going on the trip for the
first link that you mentioned. It leaves on the 1st May and I can pm you the information they sent
me for Westerners. Can you let me know the prices of the second company if they get back to you as
I haven't paid yet and would be interested in knowing if it's any cheaper?

Thanks alot










flameproof -

Let's presume you can go from Dandong - how you get to Dandong? Can you fly there? Or take a train
from Shenyang? Dandong has an airport, but I am not sure what routes are served.

And how you get the visa? How long does it take? I presume you need to hand in your passport and
wait.....

I am certainly also interested to visit!

I used Bablefish to have a look at: http://www.ddtmt.com/tmtline/detail.php?id=6

What was
"1、报名时须备因私护照原件,2寸近期正面免冠光板彩色照片4张,身份证复印�
��一份。"

Came out: "1st, when registration will have to prepare 因私护照 the original part,2 inches
near futures frontage to remove one's hat worn out fur woman with no pubic hair color photo 4, ID
card copy."

Anyway, the 5-day trip is 2380 rmb

There is also a link to a forum:

http://ourtour.com.cn/club/forumdisp...fid=181&page=1

Here are 3 more useful links with information:
http://www.koryogroup.com/
http://www.koreakonsult.net/index_eng.html
http://wikitravel.org/en/North_Korea










Pravit -

There are regular trains to Dandong from Beijing(among other places), and I'm sure it would be
pretty easy to get a train from Shenyang to Dandong. There are also flights at least a couple
times a week; when I went to Dandong I almost considered flying back but took a more "scenic"
route instead

As london82 mentioned supposedly there are higher prices for foreigners than Chinese, but we'll
see. Planning on calling soon and waiting on e-mail replies.



Quote:

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�一份。

It means for registration you need to prepare your passport, (4) passport-style photos, and a copy
of your ID card. I have no idea how they handle the visa, but I imagine they must send them to the
North Korean embassy in Beijing, so it does seem a bit inconvenient to have to send everything to
Dandong, then to Beijing, then back to Dandong, then back to you. And a bit worrisome given my
experiences with the Chinese mail system(I'll be sending them my passport after all!), though I've
heard it works fine domestically. Perhaps you could get the visa done yourself if you actually
went to the NK embassy in Beijing.












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Monday, October 27, 2008

Learning Mandarin - Forums Newsletter Ideas - Page 2 -








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Long Pan -

It is a very good idea; one every 2 weeks (隔周一次 if don't get confused with this " 隔");
but why not use also html links - for instance on item could be called "the 10 most read threads
of the last 2 weeks" and you just click on the ones you are interested in; easy to do and easy to
go through.



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roddy -

Here's a first draft of the first newsletter. Comments welcome. I suspect it may be too long, and
now I look at it all laid out I can see why the minimal use of some HTML may be a very good idea
indeed. Thoughts?

*********************************************************
is happy to announce the launch of its regular Newsletter to keep registered
members up-to-date on what's new. This first issue has been sent to all users, but to make sure
the newsletter reaches only people who want it, subsequent issues will be sent exclusively to
users who subscribe. To do so, reply to this email with the subject 'subscribe' or visit this link:
http://www. /index.php?page=newsletter
And instructions on activating your subscription will be sent to your inbox shortly. If you do not
wish to recieve it, do nothing - this mailing list is used only for very rare admin announcement.

**************
Some Reminders
**************

continues to grow, with user numbers and posts all increasing steadily. If you
haven't visited for a while, here are some links that may come in handy:

Our home page lists the newest topics and latest replies so you can see at a glance what's
happening.
http://www.

Forgotten your username or password? Visit the below link and fill in your email address (the one
you recieved this Newsletter at) and we'll send you a reminder.
http://www. /login.php?do=lostpw

If you are looking for some general reading on topics that interest you, or want to search for
something specific, start with the Forums listing or Search:
http://www. /forums.php
http://www. /search.php

If you want to see a listing of topics you've posted to previously (and perhaps update us on any
questions you've asked in the past) click here
http://www. /subscription.php - you'll need to log in, so see the above link if
you've lost your password.

Our RSS feed, for those who use online or desktop RSS readers to keep on top of the latest info,
can be found at the following link:
http://www. /external.php?type=RSS

*****************************************************
Some of our more active and interesting recent topics
*****************************************************

The Chinese tones are as always a challenge for many learners. The ongoing "How can I get better
at tones" discussion is the ideal place to share any frustrations with fellow students - and pick
up a few tips that might come in handy.
http://www. /showthread.php?t=7409

On a related issue, some of our braver members have been posting audio files of their speaking for
constructive criticism and pointers. You can find a couple of the more recent ones at the links
below - and there's nothing to stop you attaching a recording to a post of your own if you want.
http://www. /showthread.php?t=16308
http://www. /showthread.php?t=15577

A number of our users will be taking the HSK Advanced exam shortly. If you'll be joining them, are
interested in taking the exam in the future, or just want to come along and wish them luck, see
here:
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And anyone battling with the new online registration system for the HSK will be pleased to learn
they aren't alone:
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User suggestions and the tireless efforts of Doumeizhen have brought us the Best of Chinese Study
Tools - More a selection of what's been found to work than an exhaustive list of everything
available. Take a look and see if there's anything you can make use of, and perhaps suggest some
of your own favourites.
http://www. /showthread.php?t=9739

Podcasts have become a choice source of listening material for many, with Chinesepod being the
best known. Relevant discussions include:
Chinesepod - does it work? http://www. /showthread.php?t=14789
Other sources of podcasts: http://www. /showthread.php?t=13649
Antiwave - China's best podcast? http://www. /showthread.php?t=14888

Anyone suffering from an overdose of 'de's, 'le's and 'ba's might want to check out the following
list of discussions on China's trickiest grammar points:
http://www. /showthread.php?t=3046

Ever promised to speak Chinese and nothing but Chinese? Our discussion on Language Pledges looks
at the problems and benefits.
http://www. /showthread.php?t=16350

now features a Chinese Corner, specifically for learners to practice their
Chinese alongside a number of friendly native speakers. If you want to give it shot, log in and
click the below link
http://www. /forumdisplay.php?f=42

Ever want to type Pinyin, but find it's just too much hassle to run that Word macro / go to that
web page / open that bit of software you downloaded? No longer, thanks to Pinyinput, programmed by
forums regular Imron - download, install and type away.
http://www. /showthread.php?t=13005

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roddy -

Additionally, if anyone wants to go through the subscription process, you can follow the
instructions above. It's a little messy still and I need to tidy things up a bit, but it should be
functional. Main problem is that I still need to run some processes manually, so don't expect an
instant response to your requests. As usual . Oh, and I might delete your subscription as I try
and figure out how everything works.










venture160 -

I think it needs to be trimmed down to no more than 10 top posts. If you want to get people's
attention make is short and sweet. Otherwise I like it










imron -

I hate HTML email :-) However there are people who don't. Whatever you decide you're going to end
up annoying one set of users.

My vote is for plain text - at least for the first post. Maybe you can have a plain-text/HTML
option for users that subscribe?










roddy -

Yeah, I was aiming for 10, but got overexcited I think. Will trim mercilessly. Subsequent
newsletters will be shortly, if only because the 'forgotten who we are?' stuff at the top won't be
needed.

I wouldn't want to use much html, certainly no images. But having


Quote:

User suggestions and the tireless efforts of Doumeizhen have brought us the Best of Chinese Study
Tools - More a selection of what's been found to work than an exhaustive list of everything
available. Take a look and see if there's anything you can make use of, and perhaps suggest some
of your own favourites.

is going to look a lot better (especially when you consider it would be done over the newsletter
as a whole) than


Quote:

User suggestions and the tireless efforts of Doumeizhen have brought us the Best of Chinese Study
Tools - More a selection of what's been found to work than an exhaustive list of everything
available. Take a look and see if there's anything you can make use of, and perhaps suggest some
of your own favourites.
http://www. /showthread.php?t=9739

I think all those free-floating urls make it look a bit scrappy. Plus I might like to have a
sub-heading or two, but I guesss I could do

******that*******
like
******
this
******

or something.










Lu -

Not sure why people don't like email with html in it, but I'm sure they have their reasons.
Personally, I agree with Roddy that the second version, with html, looks much better, more
professional too.
I don't think I would subscribe though, I stop by here almost every day, a newsletter would be
redundant for me.










roddy -

The trouble with HTML email is that you can't be sure everyone sees it as HTML. I have people who
think they're sending me
Meanwhile, in other news on our site . . .
But actually what I get is
Meanwhile in other news on our site . . .

As you say, anyone who is visiting every day will probably find it redundant. But if you are an
occasional visitor I think it would be useful. Already got one subscription

Edit: And quiet congratulation to Lu on joining the 1000-post club










imron -



Quote:

Not sure why people don't like email with html in it, but I'm sure they have their reasons.

because some people (notably computer types) disable HTML in email because it poses a security
risk, or if they're really computery the might still be using a text-based email reader from their
UNIX shell. This means that HTML email turns up as HTML code rather than a nicely formatted text,
and it's a pain to try and sort out the text from the markup.










gato -

I used to send out a weekly newsletter with the latest headlines for a news website I used to run,
using Mojo Mail (renamed as Dada Mail) to automatically handle the subscribe/unsubscribe function.

The newsletters were in text-html dual format, done automatically by Mojo Mail. Such a dual format
email would accommodate subscribers using text-based email readers, though I suspect they are very
rare nowadays. (Anybody still using pine? elm? or mail?)

See http://willmaster.com/possibilities/...21015001.shtml for an example of a dual format email.

Here's a similar example done implemented with PHP:
http://www.webcheatsheet.com/php/sen...attachment.php

Perhaps your program could do the same, Roddy.

I also used a simple php script to display the latest headlines from the database and add the
necessary HTML tags for the URLs.












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Sunday, October 26, 2008

Learn Chinese online - Coco Lee - Reflection -








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nipponman -

This is one of my favorite songs from (yes you guessed it) Mulan.
Give a listen



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uumeh -

Its pretty good. I like it. I wonder, how important are tones when Chinese people are singing?










nipponman -

I remember being told that chinese people don't pay attention to tones when they are singing, so
people get the lyrics to songs from written material, or something like that.












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Saturday, October 25, 2008

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Ive been trying to figure out my friends tattoo... He knows it bugs me that I dont understand it
thats why he told me I have to figure it out for myself...
Anybody know? Someone told me they were pretty sure its chinese
Im so lost



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gougou -

It's the character for soul, pronounced hun.










againstwind -

魂, hun2, which means soul or spirit, especially lofty spirit.










HashiriKata -



Quote:


Originally Posted by Rocksta_Vixen

he told me I have to figure it out for myself...


Your friend is obviously very reasonable. The character itself looks like a soul, doesn't it?










Rocksta_Vixen -

Ah thank you very much
Sorry that I started a whole new thread for this but I didnt find any that were just for
translations
Again, thank you very much you were so helpful
Now I can go prove Im not dumb










Rocksta_Vixen -

Ok maybe I am dumb lol... Kanji (japanese) came from chinese right? Im not very educated on this
but I think thats how it went......?
Anyways if anyone can help with this last thing it would be awsome
Its supposed to mean "You belong to the vampire" but Im not sure it was put together right
Anybody familiar with Kanji?











Koneko -

Should gone for good tattoonist who knows how to do good Chinese characters!
His tattoonist has ruined the aesthetics of the character, 魂.

K.










sarahkuang -

That is Kanji or you may say Janpenese. You read it from top to bottom and from right to left.
Kanji is originally from Chinese character, but after long years It derived into another language
system. The pronounciation, grammar and lots of other things are different from Chinese.

The Kanji you show on post is just as you said.










Rocksta_Vixen -

Once again, thank you very much I never would have figured this out on my own.










Mugi -

Not sure if you'll view this thread again, but what do you mean by "You belong to the vampire"?

a) You are a possession of the the vampire
OR
b) You belong to the clan/camp? of the vampire (i.e. you are a vampire or on their side)

Your Japanese means the latter.












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Friday, October 24, 2008

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I have an apartment in Wudaokou and i'm in need of a roommate! The apartment is located on the
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The period is from today until middle of july.
The rent is 2200 per month + expenses.
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Thursday, October 23, 2008

Study Chinese - I would like some help with Mainland Chinese Mandarin slang-please help me out. - Page 3 -









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buanryoh -

I know 凤 is not a dragon, but perhaps it is Chinese concept the female equivilant of a dragon?
like in 龙凤胎。



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HashiriKata -

No, 凤 is infact a male bird, but like you, many people like to associate "birds" with "girls"

By the way, anyone here is with me in thinking that taking photos like the above is being very
rude to the dragons ??










studentyoung -



Quote:

...which, in turn, begs the question: How do you lift up a dragon?

It is easy, too! The answer lies in one of our traditional performances called “Dragon Dance
舞龙”.


Quote:

By the way, anyone here is with me in thinking that taking photos like the above is being very
rude to the dragons ??

OK, let’s share some photos of Dragon Dance which can be taken as people’s worship to dragons!
http://image.baidu.com/i?tn=baiduima...E%E8%C1%FA&z=3

Thanks!










FSO -



Quote:

I know 凤 is not a dragon, but perhaps it is Chinese concept the female equivilant of a dragon?



Quote:

No, 凤 is infact a male bird, but like you, many people like to associate "birds" with "girls"

Actually, you're both right. In Chinese mythology, the phoenix is paired with the dragon to
symbolize femininity (as opposed to the dragon's masculinity). This is why many works of art show
both mythical beasts. 凤 literally does mean "male phoenix". Here is what wiki has to say about
it:

Fenghuang (Chinese: 鳳凰; pinyin: Fènghuáng; Japanese: 鳳凰 hō-ō; Korean: 봉황
bonghwang; Vietnamese: Phượng Hoàng) are mythological Chinese birds that reign over all other
birds. The males are called Feng and the females Huang. In modern times, however, such a
distinction of gender is often no longer made and the Feng and Huang are blurred into a single
feminine entity so that the bird can be paired with the Chinese dragon, which has male
connotations.










Mavericker -

I went else to ask what is Mandarin slang for "delinquent girl", and these were the terms I was
given:

Female hooligan泼妇 (po fu)
bad(immoral) girl 骚货(sao hou) 骚B (sao bi) 贱货(jian hou)贱B(jian bi)

sao1 B jian4

A female juvenile delinquent--女少年犯(i doubt its a slang) . i know they called 太妹 in HK
movie.
A female punk -- 朋克妞

Does anyone here know any other terms? Please list as many terms as possible. Thank you.










anonymoose -

After this and your other thread about female dragons, I'm beginning to wonder what kind of
company you're keeping...










roddy -

Similar enough to your previous thread that we don't need two, merging.










buanryoh -

Thanks!

Marc










Mavericker -

HI, anonymoose-I'm doing research on slang and terminology for a project I'm working on. Can you
please help me out?










Mavericker -

Does anyone know any slang terms that mean "delinquent girl" or "tough girl"?

I know in Taiwan, such a girl is referred to as a "tei mei".

In Cantonese slang, I found out, delinquent girls are called, "fa leui" or "kwai leui"

Someone just told me "mah fhan ni-hai" is a Mandarin slang for delinquent girl.

Does anyone know any other Mandarin slangs for "Delinquent girl" or "tough girl"? Please let me
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Wednesday, October 22, 2008

Learning Chinese - 《我给的爱》杨乃文 -








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Koneko -

Saturday's pub quiz:- 杨乃文

Listen to her singing

Who does she remind you of?


Hints: A famous female singer from Aberbeen, Scotland


[Scroll down for answer]

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Answer: Annie Lennoxx!!



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Quote:

Answer: Annie Lennoxx!!

No, it's Annie Lennox (just 1 x !)

NB: This post's sole purpose is to pull you out of the "Unanswered Posts". Don't you think I'm
nice?










Koneko -



Quote:

NB: This post's sole purpose is to pull you out of the "Unanswered Posts". Don't you think I'm
nice?

Ha ha... Bingo!
Not only am I schizophrenic; I am also an attention seeker!
Welcome to my world - narcissism!

K.










HashiriKata -

Just listened to this song again (again, a nice song!) but couldn't work out what 要不 in
"我给的爱要不回来" means.
Could someone please translate "我给的爱要不回来" for me? Have a look at the lyrics below
for the context of the sentence:

我给的爱
词曲:张震岳

深夜的风冷冷无情
觉得夜昏暗
脚边烟蒂散落一地
像是我的心
被风吹起吹到那里
我在那里没有目的
我给的爱要不回来
你说过的话我不曾忘记
你却离开
我给的爱我给的爱不回来
我给的爱我给的我给的我给的爱
我给的爱我给的爱

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skylee -

cannot get back the love I gave










Koneko -

Skylee's right.
Or simply, "You don't love me"

DJ. K.










HashiriKata -

Thank you both for replying! I guessed that it means "我给的爱不回来" but the 要 in 要不
unsettled me a bit.











skylee -

The 要 in 要不回來 (not 要不) indicates the action to get something back, to recover
something (i.e. 把愛要回來). When the action fails, then the love is 要不回來了 /
不能要回來了.










HashiriKata -

Thanks skylee!

I think I understand it now. 要 here is the main verb meaning "to get" in the patterns:

1. 要回来
2. 要得回来
3. 要不回来

(which are grammatically similar to:

做完
做得完
做不完

说出来
说得出来
说不出来.)

Am I correct?










skylee -

Yes, I guess so, though 要得回来 sounds a bit strange.

BUT 問我文法跟問道於盲無異。呵呵。












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Tuesday, October 21, 2008

Chinese Mandarin - Health food store in Beijing? -








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zarathustra -

Hi everyone,

I just arrived in Beijing a few days ago. Got a month left before Spring at BeiDa. I was hoping to
find somethings but I'm not sure where to look. I'm looking for a health food store or a place
with vitamins and natural food products. I'm particularly looking for Bentonite clay (膨润土)
(for detox) and Lactobacillus Acidophilus (嗜酸乳杆菌). I imagine they should be available
somewhere.



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I saw this health-food place in the subway near the Embassies and Silk-street (don't recall which
stop that is...) I didn't take a close look, but it might be a good place to start looking...

Let us know what you find.










zarathustra -

will let you know. For most of Feb I was outside of Beijing but now I'm back looking for a place
and all the normal stuff.

I was also reading about this new organic food chain that's starting up. I think they want tons of
stores by the time the Olympics arrive.










heifeng -

Ok, so I did see that at Dongzhimen, there is a mall 银座 which you can access from the subway
tunnel. go in there, (maybe up the escalater once or so) and there is a 绿点点organic shop see
here. or www.greendotdot.com I didn't really check it out but It seemed like it had organic type
of stuff in bags and such. Also nearby, there is an OLE' grocery which carries western food and
seemed to have 'western' vitamins too. Some other stuff I saw in there: some betty crocker cookie
mix, tortilla chips and taco shells, poppycock, pudding, bulk gummy candy. Of course it's
expensive, but it was really impressively clean, organized, and nearly empty. I thought I had
entered a wormhole that transported me back to the land where health inspection grades are
displayed on the front windows....it was strange.

Anyway, hope this helps those seeking organic food or western food near dongzhimen....

ok, edit, I just remember, as I was walking around the China National Agricultural Expo Center,
(Exit, facing dongzhimen wai dajie, turn left and walk a bit) there was a big building that said
ORGANIC on top of it. since I had to actually be somewhere I couldn't really check it out, but
there was a sign on top of the building. It looked like a restaurant other than a grocery store.
If someone is in that area, they can confirm what exactly it is...

and lastly, I found this website, somehow accidently when looking for something else...but
apparently there is a natural food expo in asia...and related
websites...http://www.naturalproductsasia.com/chi_main.php
http://www.efarm.com.cn/

have fun.










WHS Editor -

I know this is an old post from 2006, however I am not the first person to look for a quality
health food store when I arrived in China Beijing over 2years ago.

That was one of my main reasons for starting World Health Store (WHS), so foreigners like myself
could get access to quality health products that we are used to from home.

Our online store may not have everything in stock quite yet, but we are growing. We just bought in
the new sports product BSN from the states are planning to add a whole lot of new lines in the
near future.

If you are looking for a health food store, health shop, health products or natural supplement
store in China, Beijing or Shanghai have a look at www.worldhealthstore.com.cn. Currently we
deliver all over Beijing for free to all members, and do deliver all over China for a small
postage fee.

Hope I am not being to "salesy" in the forum, just wanted an opportunity for others that are
looking for health food store in China to look us up, and hopefully we can help you.

Sincerely,

Drew Campbell

PS feel free to write me an email if you have any questions drew(a)worldhealthstore.com.cn










venture160 -

Try 有机食物










liuzhou -



Quote:

Hope I am not being to "salesy" in the forum, just wanted an opportunity for others that are
looking for health food store in China to look us up, and hopefully we can help you.

Not really health food. More supplement city.

(BTW. THe English is awful! For a small fee I'm willing to proof read! )










WHS Editor -

Thank You Liu Zhou,

Yes we do have a lot of supplements, however we do have health food also, such as:
Organic Green Barley Grass, Wheat Grass, Alfalfa, Buckwheat, Organic Brown Rice, Organic Fiber
also a selection of Organic Health Oils. You can see at:
http://www.worldhealthstore.com.cn/e...id=3&sortid=26
We will have Organic Flaxseed Oil after the national holidays and more items to follow.
In addition we have health foods such as bars and powders for meal replacements...
http://www.worldhealthstore.com.cn/e...id=5&sortid=32

You are right World Health Store in China doesn't have everything yet as stated in my last post.
We are only 7months old now, so need some time to source all we need.

Liu Zhou and others if you have suggestions of health food products that we don't currently have,
please let me know.

Sincerely,

Drew

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Monday, October 20, 2008

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Quote:


Originally Posted by koneko

I found out there's actually a college known as World Toilet College in Singapore!!
Specialising in advanced $h!t management


亲爱的 Koneko,
你今天怎么了?还离不开厕所呢?




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我要拉屎,好不好?










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親愛なるハシリカタさんへ、
我在想如果我能进得了世界厕所大学,然后再专攻高级屎便管理。
那我的大学论文应该写些什么呢?
《高级屎便管理如何融入社会学之屎便字源入门篇》怎么样?
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Sunday, October 19, 2008

Chinese Studies - NewsinChinese & Adso Textbook temporarily offline -








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The server is having problems and keeps crashing. The strange messages being coughed up in the
server log, coupled with some analysis points to a dying hard drive. The server company has been
notified, but this issue is not going to be resolved until I get physically back to Beijing and
get the server company to replace the hard drive. It will probably take a day or two after that to
completely restore the data and get the server back online.

Apologies for the inconvenience. Thought people might like to know. The server that handles
annotation regularly through www.adsotrans.com is still online -- so the various plugins, etc.
should continue to work without a problem.



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Just a short update. The hard drive has been replaced. Having some issues with MySQL refusing to
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Saturday, October 18, 2008

Learn Chinese online - Chinesepod.com-Does it really work? -








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bchang -

I've reacently been hearing alot of great stuff about Chinesepod i'm now thinking of buying a
subscription does this system actually work? If so how does it compare to other systems?
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They have a lot of free podcasts you can download. You might want to sample the product before you
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kdavid -

This depends on two things: what level you're currently at and what you want to get out of an
online study tool. My first month's subscription is almost out and I will certainly pay for
another month, if not for the 6-month deal as it saves a bit of money.

Great things about Chinesepod:

1. Convenience. I'm an English teacher who often has a lot of downtime between classes and lesson
planning. Being able to hop online at anytime and study is very convenient.

2. Materials. There are a number of tools you can take advantage of. The two that I find most
helpful are the online flashcards and podcasts.

2a. Depending on your subscription (basic or premium), you have access to review materials and
lesson plans. You are able to download transcripts for each of the podcasts which is a huge help
for the more advanced podcasts which showcase native speakers speaking at a near-native level
(pretty fast for me). Being able to read the transcript (pinyin, simplified and traditional
characters, and English translation) along with the podcast is ideal.

2b. The flashcards are also great. The site has a database of over 14,000 characters (combinations
and such) which can be searched for and added to your vocab list. Using these is much easier than
making my own. Also, if you like a particular lesson and what to study the vocab. covered, with a
simple click of one button you can download all of the vocab into your own personalized vocab list.

3. Relevance of material. All of the podcasts cover relevant topics that you WILL use day-to-day.
They also cover slang and colloquial speech, which you won't find in standard textbooks and
(usually) only learn from your friends. Learning these is fun because I can always shock my
friends with some off-the-wall native-speaker slang.

4. Personality. The hosts of the shows are fun and entertaining. They are all fluent or
native-speakers with clear standard accents.

Bad things (not much):

1. What is your level? Right now Chinesepod tends to cater more towards Newbie and Elementary
levels. Though I am far from being 'Intermediate', the Elementary levels are way too easy for me,
and the pace of speech is way too slow for me to learn anything. If you are at the Newbie or
Elementary level, then this is ideal.

Intermediate and higher podcasts come maybe once to twice a week. So, I often find myself digging
through the lesson archive for old Intermediate lessons to study while I wait on fresh ones. I
would not recommend Chinesepod for Upper-Intermediate or higher learners.

Another thing to consider:

Does it work? I think so. But, just like any other online tool or textbook, Chinesepod is
supplementary to your learning curriculum. Chinesepod will not force you to study your reading,
writing and listening, and it sure as hell won't force you to go out and talk to strangers to
practice your speaking.

All in all, I think it's a fantastic supplementary tool and I highly recommend it for anyone from
the Newbie to Intermediate levels.

Hope this helps!










kdavid -

One more thing I forgot... you can sign up for a free 7-day Premium subscription without having to
use your credit card. You just need to give them your email address.










bchang -

Wow thanks for all your help ill be signing up for the trial for sure, as im on Christmas
Hollidays. It sounds great thanks alot.










flameproof -



Quote:

Does it really work?

Yes and no. You still have to do the work. The same way running shoes do not make you a runner.

ChinesePod is great. It's funny and fun to listen to. However, you will not get fluent. Fluency
will come ONLY with daily life interaction. However, they do have a bunch of good tools and nice
lessons. It's GREAT in addition to something else you do about learning.










onebir -



Quote:

Fluency will come ONLY with daily life interaction

I suspect the FSI course, which has hundreds of hours of drills forcing you to make speak out
loud, might get you pretty close to fluency in producing sentences if you were dogged enough about
using it... (Although you might need further listening comprehension practice)

The latter 'if' is a big one though - I'm just now using FSI French, and can it's fairly boring.
Perhaps because I'm using it too much. So I can imagine the much larger chinese course, together
with the somewhat more difficult content, presenting the similar, but bigger problems.










laowai1980 -

I think it does work, personally I've covered newbie section and half way through elementary now.
I am planning it'll take me another 1-2 months to cover the whole elementary section and get all
the vocabulary "drilled down" as Ken there says The lessons are fun to listen to, even if you
don't buy a subscription. Just start from scratch, get yourself an ipod or a cheap mp3 flash
player and listen to the lessons everywhere you can. The words work their way down into the brain
gradually, I feel I can understand chinese speech better now, well, provided the dialogues there
are mostly slow. Sometimes speakers get faster then it needs an explanation later.

Anyway I'm now hooked on Chinesepod and enjoy their every show. I think it's a great way to learn
the language, at least for a newbie-to-elementary level, I haven't touched on higher levels yet.
For higher levels I think the best way to learn is listen to chinese radio broadcasts over the
Internet, since higher level learners supposedly know all the basic, everyday vocabulary and need
more advanced stuff. At least that's the approach I used to take with other languages. Cheers!










thph2006 -

I've been using ChinesePod in one way or another since last May. At first I thought it might be a
good focal point for learning Mandarin but decided pretty quickly that it was just too random in
it's content presentation to make a good stand-alone course. I tried the premium service for the
free week and found it more frustrating than useful, so I didn't sign up. Instead I did a 6-month
subscription to the basic transcript service. I highly recommend beginners try the transcripts +
podcasts as a supplement to some other more structured main course. What I finally settled on was
FSI Mandarin as my main course material and the ChinesePod podcasts as a suplement. It works
really well for me. The FSI material is very comprehensive if you don't need to learn characters.
There are literally hundreds of recorded lessons which proceed in a very structured sequence and
provide enough explanation that you can listen without the texts in front of you (in the car for
example). The texts are a gold mine of information though so I try to make a habit of reading
them. As others have mentioned, FSI can be mind numbing at times and that's when I take a break
and listen to ChinesePod. The two make a great combination. ChinesePod podcasts are very good for
picking up snippets of real conversation and they ARE fun to listen to.

PS If I got you interested in FSI I should say as a matter of full disclosure the recordings are
30 years old and after going through digitization the sound quality leaves a lot to be desired.
Also the digitized texts were scanned from typewritten texts so they look pretty bad and there's a
bit of out of date content like talking about getting movie tickets from the local street
committee! All in all though it's probably the best Chinese course out there, especially for free.
You can get the materials here: http://fsi-language-courses.com/Chinese.aspx

Cheers, Tom










leosmith -



Quote:

All in all though it's probably the best Chinese course out there

Other than price, how does it compare to Pimsleur?












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Friday, October 17, 2008

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drahnier -

I love this program! Thanks for the 0.6.1 update.

I discovered a problem with the annotator, although I am not sure wether it is caused by zdt or
the adso dictionary I prefer to use. Please look at the attached image.



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bogleg -

I think this is a known bug with the ZDT annotator parsing and has been there for awhile. Its not
Adso related. Any words with a '儿' ending should exhibit this problem. I'll add it to my bug fix
list.

Thanks

Chris










drahnier -

(see picture)










drahnier -

On startup I sometimes get a JDCB connection error:










bogleg -

The problem with the missing 的 is specific to the Adso database. It's missing certain common
characters. I think David does auto generates these "missing" entries for his site, but they're
not included in the sql script that he gives me. You'll have to ask him for more clarification. I
know they're a bunch more missing characters and maybe i'll have to manually add them myself into
the adso dictionary plugin.

Regarding the latest post, either the program didn't shutdown correctly and delete the lock file
or you're running two copies of the program at the same time. Try just shutting down the program
and restarting and seeing if you still have the problem. If you do, then you'll have to manually
delete the user.lck file.

Chris










drahnier -

There is/was indeed a problem with the lock file in connection with the other errors I reported.
Obviously, zdt had no chance to remove the lock file when it crashed, so the next start of zdt
generated the database error. It would be fine if zdt checks for the lock file at startup and acts
more gracefully, probably alearting the user. - But this truely is a minor issue.












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Thursday, October 16, 2008

Chinese Studies - "Mountain Poetry" of Zhejiang -








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cui ruide -

If you read my previous topic about modern Chinese poetry, you'll know my situation is as such:
next semester, I'll be studying in Hangzhou, and as part of the program, students design their own
1-on-1 course.

Though I was initially considering modern poetry, I ultimately decided on a course that might
offer more opportunity to get out of the classroom. My topic as of now is to trace the 'mountain
fascination' in traditional Chinese culture, with an emphasis on the 'mountain poetry' of Zhejiang
province.

By 'mountain poetry,' I mean the subset of Chinese wilderness poetry that's particularly set in
mountain locations ("duh," you say), often dealing with the search for sages, hermit/ascetic life,
perhaps 'clouds and rain' allusions, etc.

My one concern is the prevalence of this kind of classical poetry set/written in Zhejiang province
(chosen because of my being in Hangzhou). I know there are mountains there, but I know history
doesn't bring the Chinese culture in full force to this area until after the Tang Dynasty. Any
ideas? Happen to have come across anything I might be looking at?



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skylee -

You may wish to consider reading poems of 謝靈運 Xie Lingyun (Hsieh Ling-yün).

You can find his poems in simplified Chinese here -> http://www.lingshidao.com/gushi/xielingyun.htm

And translation of his selected works here and here.



Quote:

晚出西射堂

步出西城門,遙望城西岑。連鄣疊巘崿,青翠杳深沈。曉霜楓葉丹,夕曛嵐�
��陰。節往戚不淺,感來念已深。羈雌戀舊侶,迷鳥懷故林。含情尚勞愛,��
�何離賞心?撫鏡華緇鬢,攬帶緩促衿。安排徒空言,幽獨賴鳴琴。

Leaving West Archery Hall at Dusk

Stepping out through the west-wall gate,
I gaze afar at peaks west of the city wall —
An unbroken barrier piling cliffs upon crags,
Where the deep blues darken, and sink away.

Under morning frosts the maple leaves turn scarlet,
In the evening dusk mists grow shadowy.
As the season passes one's grief is not slight;
Sorrows come and memories weigh down.

The stray hen yearns for her former mate,
A lost bird longs for its old forest:
Choked by feeling, they still ache with love —
Then what of myself, deprived of my closest friends?

I rub the mirror where my black temples show flecks,
And pull at my belt, where once snug folds are slack.
"At peace with the order of things" — mere empty words.
Obscure and alone, I turn to my singing lute.

Obviously you can also read Wang Wei and Tao Qian.












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Wednesday, October 15, 2008

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Strawberries513 -

Well... seeing as how I am a teenager I feel the need to know of the Cpop that is popular in
China,Taiwan, and Singapore with the teenagers. If someone could give me some titles with the
artist names (IN HANZI NOT PINYIN) i would really appreciate it. Or maybe a link to a radio
station that plays popular Cpop?

Thanks



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liuzhou -

This may help.










Ferno -

http://www.mandarinradio.com/










roddy -

Baidu has a number of regularly updated lists, including Top 100 New Songs and Top 500 Songs










玩玩诌年纪 -

Jane Zhang 张靓颖~










wendy1201 -

Well,,,,may be Tao Zhe ,Zhou Jielun and Cai Yilin
If you are fond of R&B music ,you would like it!










xiaosi -

If you are elder than 30yrs old, probobbly u would prefer songs sung by 劉德華 or 張學友
etc. eg. AI NI YI WAN NIAN, XIN RU DAO GE...










82riceballs -

One of my friends told me that kkbox has a listing of the most listened to songs.










Jeason -

I think 陈奕迅(EASON)maybe the most excellent one during these years ,i hope you will enjoy
the beautiful songs.










Qcash3 -

Baidu's lists are pretty solid. 周杰伦, 林俊杰, 王光良, 蔡依林, F.I.R., and S.H.E. are
a few of the top artists now. This site along with a few others has a whole collection of songs
that you can check out.

圣诞节快乐!












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Tuesday, October 14, 2008

Learn Mandarin online - kids song tones -








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kudra -

Here is a song my kid and I learned in her Chinese class. Since we sing it, I am not sure about
some of the tone sandi if it were spoken.

火车快跑, 火车快跑
跑过高山, 越过小溪
不知跑了几百里。
快到家里,快到家里
妈妈看见好欢喜。

specifically, what would the spoken tones be for "几百里"?

Thanks.



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223










stBLCU -

214+(214+214) becomes to 35+(21+214)










XiaoXi -

Shouldn't that be 323?










HashiriKata -



Quote:

Shouldn't that be 323?

Conceivable, but would sound very strange.










XiaoXi -

Isn't that how it works with 3rd tones spoken consecutively? Can someone explain how it works
then? As is my understanding 33 becomes 23, 333 becomes 323 and 3333 becomes 2323.










HashiriKata -

Simply stated, if you've got a string of 33333, then turn them all into 2nd tone except the last
one, resulting in a continuous string of 22223. There's one important thing to remember though: if
for some reason in your speech you break the string into 2 pieces (eg., you hesitate or just want
to take a breath in the middle), such as 333 & 33; then regards these as 2 separate strings and
they thus become: 223 & 23.

PS: Long strings of words can have natural breaks within them due to the words organise themselves
into logical units, and thus can provide natural points for breaks.










XiaoXi -

Ok thanks a lot, that's very helpful.












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Sunday, October 12, 2008

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Quote:

it's the frigging capital of china and the only city where you can learn standard Putonghua.

Redmini, the point is that this is not true. You would know that if you had read the thread.
Beijinghua is not standard putonghua, and the accent is more standard in some cities in the
north-east such as Changchun. Maybe you just surmised that Beijinghua was standard Chinese, but if
you ask any Chinese person you will find out that it isn't. For the differences between Peking
dialect and standard Mandarin, you could start by looking at
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roddy -

Redmini is going to disappear anyway, unless each and every one of his / her posts stops plugging
one particular organization. Anyway, "the only city where you can learn Standard putonghua" is
patent nonsense. It's like saying you can't learn Arabic in London, which would be a great shock
to SOAS.










mpallard -

Although I am biased, I found Taiwan to be a great place to study Chinese. The people are
friendly, it's safe, and since people are more used to seeing foreigners you don't get idiots
yelling "HEEEELOOOOO" at you all the time (although, embarrasingly, it still happens on occasion).

Granted there is more English in Taiwan and that does get anoying at times, however I think there
is a trade off to be had. You can choose a place that has total immersion, no English, but people
will not know how to interact with foreigners. Or you can choose a place where more English is
spoken but where people are more "normal" when dealing with foreigners.

Although I've only been to the Mainland on vacations it just seems to me like it would be harder
to make friends there (I could be wrong). I'm not saying it's easy in Taiwan (or anywhere for that
matter) but once you get your Chinese to a decent level and start joining clubs and sports teams
outside campus you can make friends that way. You can immerse yourself quite well, but it
obviously takes time.

Another plus is you don't have to worry about people trying to rip you off all the time, or
beggars comming up to you every 5 minutes. I've been to Beijing and sure 天安門 was nice but I
couldn't walk 10 feet without someone comming up to me wanting something. If I lived in Beijing I
can't imagine I'd go there very often.

And also don't listen to people who say Taiwan doesn't speak "standard" Mandarin. No place speaks
"standard" Mandarin and I have never spoken to someone from the mainland and not had them
understand what I was saying.

So add Taiwan to your list. Assimilation or total immersion in Chinese society is impossible (for
non-Chinese looking people anyway). However to the degree you can do it, I think it may be easier
in Taiwan.










redmini -

sorry for offending you with my apparent incessant "plugging of one particular company" but i was
offering my two cents after reading several posts from people in this forum that asked for
advice/opinions on any prior experiences with such companies. hey is that a crime? but, point
taken.

oh, and standard mandarin is actually based on the beijing dialect.. the phonology aspect of it
anyway.. its vocab is drawn across several different dialects in china. im quoting from wiki =)










roddy -

No offense taken, hopefully none given either. 99% (well, maybe 95%) of the time anyone who signs
up and then immediately posts links to a commercial organization will have links to that company.










redmini -

if you put it like that roddy then of course im linked with the company seeing im on one of their
blcu programs

btw mpallard does studying chinese in taiwan mean you learn traditional chinese? because i would
love an opportunity to learn traditional characters.. but i guess that will only come after im
relatively fluent in simplied chinese (whenever that may be).










simonlaing -

Hi All,
Nanjing has some good points I wanted to promote. Especially if you're on that doesn't like
waiting for buses in subzero weather. (Though the heating systems here had something to be desired
it rarely gets below zero). This is near enough to Shanghai to beable to take weekend trips to
party but far away enough so the other foreigners you'll see will be other students. The City is
small with big bike lanes everywhere and nice large french oaks over the roads. It is much less
dusty than Beijing and only occassionally has the smog of everyday SHanghai. There is a mountain
full of trees and huge large smack in the middle of the city which is nice.
The studies are pretty good from the intense Nanjing normal Universty to the more relaxed Nanjing
University. There is also a laid back friendlyness that people will chat in Chinese with you and
won't immediately start talking english which happens in Shanghai. The universities are in the
middle of the city also which is convenient for those over you who want to pay for studies with
part time teaching. Fudan in Shanghai is far out there.
Also the dialect her is very slight, occasional mix ups of n and l s. And I think easier to talk
to an understand local people.
(Also I think becuase of the war) Nanjing has had a history of univerisities and Studying, and so
doesn't have the political baggage of Beijing or the Business Mindset of Shanghai. I was in
Shanghai before but came to Nanjing so I could speak Mandarin with ordinary people something I
found hard in SHanghai. And our CBA team usually wins the league

Anyway, Go Jiangsu Dragons,
have fun,
Simon


Anyway,










flameproof -

I am just back from Beijing and I can not agree on the bad comments BJ got.

For a beginner to intermediate the accent really does not matter too much. I spoke with fairly low
end people and had not much problem. Also listening to people talking was not too much of a
challenge.

BJ is still FAR better then, let's say Shanghai, were people speak a completely different language
that you REALLY can not understand. People were also very helpful and enthusiastic talking to me.

And really, how many BJers are you going to meet anyway? I met 1, the rest were weidiren from all
over the country. I would go back there anytime for more study!












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